The Hartlib Papers

Title:Copy Letter In Hand B, John Dury To Cheney Culpeper
Dating:undated
Ref:12/76A-84B: 78B-80A, 81A, 82A-83A, 84A-B BLANK
Notes:Copies at 12/72 &55/10/11B-14B; most of punctuation appears to be in Hartlib's hand.
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Sir Cheny.
I thank you for your kinde Remembrances of me in your Letters to Mr H: &praise God for the zeall wherewith hee hath endued yow to further all good workes tending to his glory in the Public Reformation of Church and common wealth. Happy would this[altered] People bee if all that are in place hadd the same public and pious inclinations with affections soe enlarged and a spirit noe lesse capable of Universall aimes then yours is.
That which yow write in one of yours to him concerning the times and seasons of a full Reformation, and restitution of the Church &comon walth under Christ I leave unto God the thing I long and hope for as that which is promised and would faine bee found fit to partake of it when soever it shall be in any measure therefore I labour to present myself unto him without partialitie in all thinges to bee found[H alters] a Vessel[H alters] of honour purged from earthlinesse &fittied for every good use, and I rejoice to see you walke in the same way, let us <H: as> fellow Souldiers strengthen one anothers handes by prayers and faithfull incoragments unto every good work. Blessed are they that sow upon all watters; by watters I understand people and occasions[altered?] and Sciences; by sowing I understand[altered from understant] the bestowing of endeavours, which may fructifie for good; hee that soweth unto his flesh shall reap Corruption from it saith the Apostle <left margin, H: Gal. 6. 8. 9. 10. but> [but?] hee that soweth unto the spirit shall of the spirit[altered] reap life[altered] everlasting; here upon wee are exhorted not to be wearie in well doing because wee shall reap in due time if wee faint not. therefore patience and Resolution to wait Gods time is requesite, but our endeavour must bee as wee have opportunitie (saith the Apostle) to doe good unto all men and especially to those of the houshold of faith. Now the house-hold of faith is not so narow as many make it <H: and> though it were never soe narrow yet all men are here recommended to us. That aime then and disposition of spirit which makes us most Universally serviceable to others is our best qualification in these times and when wee are bid sow our seed in the morning and not withhold our hand in the [catchword: evening]
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evning because wee know not whither shall prosper either this or that or both I conceave that constancie and diligence is recomended to us in this Resolution with a purpose to resigne ourselves unto God by depending upon his providence for a blessing and not trusting too much to our owne Prudencie to doe things sometimes at an adventure; cheifly when wee see that noe harme can come/ to that which wee attempt and that there maybee a possibilitie of some good Event. I like your good simplicitie and that of Mr H: extreamely in this kind, but it is not given to all <left margin, H: to> become fooles in this waye, that theie may be truely wise nor is it fit to adventure without spirituall discretion the Prudencie of a Serpent is not wholly usles for a Christian, only it must not take away the simplicitie of the Dove.
Your advice concerning Mr Pruvost (a man truely of a Public spirit and a good Christian) that hee should desire a Patent for 14 yeares which you proposed unto me when yow was here and since have mentioned to Mr H: in your Letters I never thought good to offer unto him because I could not imagine it either proffittable either to him or to his worke or proportionable in any measure to the aime which hee hath in his Propositions and contrivances. For if hee should seeke a Patent then his worke would seeme a project indeed[altered] and a kind of monoply in Trade which hee wholly is averse from 2. hee is a stranger and his complices are all strangers as I suppose. Now[H capitalises] for such as are not acquainted here to come amoung the Natives to drive a Trade by vertue off a patent, which others understand[H alters from understood?] not to bee beneficiall to the public, would be very public[H deletes] <H: difficult> and if hee could subsist in <H: doing> that which he doth offer, yet there would bee soe much opposition of envie &jeallousie against him that hardly should hee[H alters] ever bee able to proceed.
3. A patent will not reach his aime of a Plantation without which/ his worke[H alters] and Designe is imperfect. 4. his Complices[H capitalises] are all strangers who will furnish money and meanes to set <H: all> [catchword: afoote]
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a foote will not trust as (I suppose) the securitie of a patent to venture their money here; If hee should dye or his Patent affter a yeare or 2. reversed what should become of their money. For[H capitalises] these and <H: other> like causes I never did speak to him off a Patent, but cheifly because I did see that the man doth understand himselfe in his worke, as I conceave, the nature of it is, namely that it cannot bee done but by a State, whose Interest must be engaged in it to [cary?] <left margin, H: carrie> it on, &that for him and his Complices[H capitalises] none other securitie will serve to draw them on to venture their substance in this kind, but the authoritie of the State itselfe, to [word deleted] <left margin, H: owne> the advancment off the designe, as that wherin itself is principally concerned, nor can any thing give them true [securitie? MS edge] but the maintaining of that order by which all the work is to bee effectuall, nor can any authoritie inferiour to that of the common Interest of the State maintaine the order of so large a Commerce as will bee set up by his Propositions Therefore a Patent will bee a thing wholly vnproffitable[H alters from unproffitable] to him; his Patent must bee an Ordinance which the State should make for the Regulating of its owne proffit to arrise from his undertakings, wherin the common Idle poore people of all sorts will bee set a worke by Land and Sea, which will bee infinitly beneficiall to particulars, when all the Idle handes shall bee set a worke not only to maintaine themselves but uphold the Public and bring a benefit to it wheras now they are a charge and burden to wast and consume the substance of it, and studie wicked practises how to wrong it and their neighbours for a subsistence, whence strife and confussion doth arrise and many judgments are multipled upon us. Soe that not only in the way of Policy but in respect of Christianitie his worke will bee usefull to the State. For now multitudes of People that are without Rule in a manner desperat and wilde under noe Gov[catchword: erment]
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Goverment shall bee reduced to certain employments and brought under Inspectors, who may bee directed how to teach them, and order[altered] their wayes in their callings to the attainment of knowledge and the exercises[H alters] of Temperance of Rightousnes and Godlinesse. When all the veines[H alters from vaines] of the State bee full of blood, and of good spirits and all the members sound and set a worke upon their proper objects, then a <State is in> case[H alters] to flourish but if it bee full of obstructions in some partes soe that theie receive noe nutriment and can performe noe actions for the good of other members, then it must needes fall into diseases and langussh.
Besides this advantage of employing the Poore and Idle Persons[H deletes] <H: People> who[altered] bring many distempers to the body of a State because they cannot walke Regularly and proffitably, there is another speciall benefit, which I conceave will redound from this enterprise, if the State will Regulat the way of it, which is this, that theie shall not only open a way for their owne subjects[H alters from substance] to improove their estates, and employ their stockes to better advantage for themselves and the Public,[H capitalises and punctuates] then hetherto they have done (by which meanes the subjects become as it were the Factors[H alters] and the State by a Prudentiall addresse[H alters] is the Principall Trader, and doth mannage all their meanes with equalitie for their good) but the Stockes[H capitalises] and estates[H alters] of Forrainers will bee drawn in, to encrease[H alters from encreas] the Trade, and make it beneficiall to the Publique. The greater a Stock[H capitalises] is the more proffit it doth yeild, if then merchants are soe desirous to get other mens stockes into ther handes to trade withall, upon reasonable considerations, noe doubt a wise State[H capitalises] will not refuse the offer of forraine stocks to encrease by their industrie[altered] its[H alters] <left margin, H: owne Commerce. If> the Complices[H capitalises] of Mr Pruvost to[altered from do] bring into England their substance, and settle[H alters] a Trade, with the commodities, which they procure unto this Nation, theie not only bring an encrease of[H alters] Revenue to the [catchword: Kingdome]
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Kingdome but they engage the affections of Forrainers to procure the good of this State, and to prevent the inconveniences, which may befall to it by reason of their interest, which they have in it, soe that in effect they have as many Agents abroad in forraine partes, as they have men, whose stockes are joyned to the Publique way of their trade. I remember that one of the Policyes of the Chancellor of Sweden was to seeke out men that hadd good stockes to engage them in the Trade of Sweden, and by this meanes the Trade is come to a great perfection in comparrison of what it was before; but I am now out of my element therefore I will not proceed further then my aime doth warrant me, which is to recommend the matter to your Public zeall, and to suggest unto you [such? altered?] considerations, as come into my mind, for which the designe should[H alters] bee entertained for the good of many, that the confusion[altered from confussion] and distraction[altered] that wee lye under may bee in some measure, if God will, by lawfull endeavours redressed, and that the wordly trades and employments of [this? altered] people may be subordinate unto the Kingdom of Christ, and become Holinesse unto the Lord when <H: the way> thereof shall bee [H's hand:] addressed to the Publick Good without partialitie. I know your Conceptions are generous in this kind. The Lord grant them good successe. Pray for mee that j may haue time and grace to intend matters of a more Spirituall nature for whose sake j reflect vpon these as possiblely helpeful therunto by Gods blessing. Thus in some haste j take my leaue and rest
                  Your most affectionat and faithfull
                          Servant in Christ
                                       Iohn Dury
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[series of doodles:]
           Rober Roberdaus
Robert
           Iohn [name illeg: MS faint]
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[Nominative?] [word illeg.] a man of [w?] [.ordes?] and [mother?] [squiggle]
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[drawing of Royal Coat of Arms]
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[doodle of animal head?]
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Concerning the Power of [Antichrist?]
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unto thee O Lord